From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Sep 27 17:58:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33237 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2005 00:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2005 00:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2005 00:58:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKQGu-0006S0-2O for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:58:08 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKQFS-00065k-5W; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:43 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EKQF9-00065O-FT for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:19 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKQF6-00065H-Sz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:19 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so595651nzf for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.15.20 with SMTP id 20mr2837918wro; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.142.3 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:56:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <925d17560509271653394ff3c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7127_61375.1127868975322" References: <925d17560509271653394ff3c4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 10653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Matt Arnold From: Matt Arnold Reply-To: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo podcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=yCEA4TZBAtdH2J3bEc14pRyX5jOjnXBLRsNlv8liXdpf01XYWg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25038 ------=_Part_7127_61375.1127868975322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/27/05, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On 9/27/05, Matt Arnold wrote: > > I would like to run an audio article on the Lojban podcast about xorlo'= s > use > > of {lo} and {le}, contrasting them with the old meanings, offering a > rundown > > of the reasons, and confirming the current status of xorlo's voted-upon > > legitimacy or lack thereof. The contrary accounts of this key language > > feature is one of the most confusing discrepancies likely to plague > > newcomers, and it would be good to have an expert clear it up once and > for > > all. I would write it, but I myself am vague on the subject. Any takers= ? > > -epkat > > Perhaps some advice one could give to newcomers is to ignore the > confusing discrepancies and go with whatever makes more sense to > them. It is extremely hard to come up with an incorrect use of {lo} in > xorlo anyway, because all {lo} does is change a selbri into a sumti, > a purely syntactical matter. > > Here is an example of something that was very hard to say before > and now is easy: > > mi terpa ci da no'u lo jukni .e lo gerku .e lo nu le tsani cu farlu > le stedu be mi > "I fear exactly three things: spiders, dogs and that the sky fall > on my head." > > mu'o mi'e xorxes Thanks, would you please record that and email it to me? -epkat ------=_Part_7127_61375.1127868975322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/27/05, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/27/05, Matt Arnold <matt.= mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to run an audio artic= le on the Lojban podcast about xorlo's use
> of {lo} and {le}, contra= sting them with the old meanings, offering a rundown
> of the reasons, and confirming the current status of xorlo's voted= -upon
> legitimacy or lack thereof. The contrary accounts of this key= language
> feature is one of the most confusing discrepancies likely= to plague
> newcomers, and it would be good to have an expert clear it up once= and for
> all. I would write it, but I myself am vague on the subjec= t. Any takers?
> -epkat

Perhaps some advice one could give to = newcomers is to ignore the
confusing discrepancies and go with whatever makes more sense to
the= m. It is extremely hard to come up with an incorrect use of {lo} in
xorl= o anyway, because all {lo} does is change a selbri into a sumti,
a purel= y syntactical matter.

Here is an example of something that was very hard to say beforeand now is easy:

  mi terpa ci da no'u lo jukni .e lo ger= ku .e lo nu le tsani cu farlu
  le stedu be mi
  = "I fear exactly three things: spiders, dogs and that the sky fall
  on my head."

mu'o mi'e xorxes
=
 
Thanks, would you please record that and email it to me?<= br> -epkat
------=_Part_7127_61375.1127868975322--