From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 02 13:19:00 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EMAIN-0000vI-5j for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:18:51 -0700 Received: from mta04.mx.cix.co.uk ([212.241.168.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EMAIK-0000vB-PA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:18:51 -0700 X-Envelope-From: lojban@solipsys.co.uk Received: from Q.composers (solipsys.compulink.co.uk [194.153.10.165]) by mta04.mx.cix.co.uk (8.13.4/CIX/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92KIKXo009289 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:18:31 +0100 Received: from Q (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Q.composers (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id j92KGxIf003103 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:16:59 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: lojban@solipsys.co.uk To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: {lo} down Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:16:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-Id: <200510022116.58524.lojban@solipsys.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS - amavis-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) X-SpamChance: 0.000000 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban@solipsys.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> For someone who basically left the lojban project 8 years or >> more ago because of this type of bickering > I'm curious to know, who are you? Charles Babbage, in his essay "Decline of Science in England" wrote " If a fact is to be established by testimony, anonymous assertion is of no value; if it can be proved, by evidence to which the public have access, it is of no consequence (for the cause of truth) who produces it. A matter of opinion derives weight from the name which is attached to it; but a chain of reasoning is equally conclusive, whoever may be its author. " > I guess back then people joined up in order to have the kind of > conversation John and xorxes are having. I think that is untrue. I personally know 3 people who, after an initial expression of interest in the language, cited these exchanges - I can't call them discussions - as their reason for giving up. It was the only reason ever given. > Now, many of us are joining to make podcasts and webcomics and horror > novels, and don't really give a darn about that other stuff. So, do you know what the semantics of {lo} are? Can you explain it to me? What is the difference between {lo tavla} and {le tavla}? > It is leaving the stage where the project is to develop the language, > and entering the stage where the project is to spread the language and > accumulate a huge corpus of texts. And I am extemely pleased to see it doing so. However, whence cometh the texts aimed at beginners, with easy grammar and easy vocabulary? Your podcasts are superb, but horror novels using even mildly complex grammar and large vocabularies are not effective texts for beginners. And I *am* interested in the semantics of {lo}, and I would love to see a simple and elegant explanation thereof. -- \\// ko ze'u jmive gi'e snada To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.