From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 28 11:44:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63558 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZAV-0002CH-W1 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:41:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZ93-00028h-9q; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:40:07 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZ8e-00028M-D0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:39:40 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZ8b-00028F-HZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:39:40 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so258136wri for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.115.3 with SMTP id n3mr305484wrc; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560510281139g37adf21cta7dabb247fb1ba61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:39:36 -0300 In-Reply-To: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: citri lo glibau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=rM9wXCI1B6C9RT486L50HK_oEd6RnqCddZsia6_OwjpqRa-yYw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25122 On 10/28/05, Adam COOPER wrote: > pi so'i lo selbau cu ke se sadgunta je tolselctu ke'e natmrkamri > tercange ke-ke'e is redundant here because the grouping it provides is the default grouping: ( (ke se sadgunta je tolselctu ke'e) natmrkamri ) tercange Perhaps you meant: (se sadgunta je tolselctu) (ke natmrkamri tercange [ke'e]) which would sound more like in English. It is not very clear to me though why any grouping is necessary, since at least in a naive logical view the meaning is: se sadgunta je tolsectu je natmrkamri je tercange One wouldn't say it like that in English, but I can't quite put my finger on why not. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.