From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Oct 09 06:54:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91474 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2005 13:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2005 13:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 13:54:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EObc1-0006PF-0S for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:53:13 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EObbF-0006OG-JG; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:52:29 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EObau-0006O2-Aj for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:52:04 -0700 Received: from web81302.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EObas-0006Np-8X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:52:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 74179 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2005 13:52:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20051009135200.74177.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.34.50] by web81302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:52:00 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20051009055225.B51325@mail.sksys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-archive-position: 10722 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: "already" again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_1QsRrwWKw2ptOM1Hs5YXCTlvHlDmW0SBxPsQ4_-m4NXya3lXw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25107 --- Cyril Slobin wrote: > coi rodo > > Is {mi ca'o jenai pu'o .ue broda} a good > translation for "I'm already > broding"? The same about {mi ba'o jenai ca'o > .uo broda} for "I'm already > have broded"? The key word is "already" in both > cases. "doing it and not just about to," "finished and not still doing it:" those do the trick. At one point a while ago, people worked on variations on the superfective, "keeps on", continuing doing something after the occasion for it was past. Doing something before the occasion for it arose, a sense of "already," is one such variation. I forget how that was expressed. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.