From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 28 12:08:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88251 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZa6-0003FJ-MH for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:08:02 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZZX-0003A7-TM; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZZC-00039j-Lp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:08 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZZ7-00039O-4n for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:06 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so259828wri for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.99.6 with SMTP id w6mr290349wrb; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560510281207g5c66eb65jc524dc783c7b8bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:07:00 -0300 In-Reply-To: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10735 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: citri lo glibau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=MdrpWqD9SVdVpibCYnEmfhTHJVFf1HiG9P0ef0KvVVFMVENhWg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25124 > komfo,amonan > bE,o,uulf. The phonotactics of Lojban, especially as it concerns names and fu'ivla, is not something fully settled yet, so take this comment with a grain of salt. In "normal" lojban words (gismu, lujvo, cmavo) two vowels cannot appear next to each other unless one of them is i/u acting as a semi-vowel/semi-consonant/diphthong component. The apostrophe and the "pause" were in fact introduced to prevent this kind of collision occurring (inside a word or between two words respectively, so I think they could be considered as two allophones of the same phoneme, but that's beside the point). When lojbanizing a foreign word or name, I think this feature should be preserved. I don't think {o,a} or {e,o} are difficult to pronounce, both actually occur in Spanish so they are easy for me, but I don't think they fit with Lojban phonotactics. They won't be allowed if my proposed phonology becomes official. A possible form for those names would be {komfo'amonan} and {bE'ouulf}. I also dislike irregular stress, so I would choose {beuulf} or {be'ouulf} instead of {bE'ouulf}, but this is an even more personal preference). mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.