From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 28 13:21:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47996 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 20:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2005 20:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 20:20:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVaiJ-0006el-5P for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:20:35 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVahq-0006dl-HZ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:20:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVahV-0006dQ-HG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:45 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVahT-0006dJ-HA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:45 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so264087wri for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.115.3 with SMTP id n3mr322418wrc; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560510281319m7743833cjfc19d3b80d5b9060@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:19:42 -0300 In-Reply-To: <12d58c160510281239g30f78bcbs3454b30506e7ca62@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560510281139g37adf21cta7dabb247fb1ba61@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160510281239g30f78bcbs3454b30506e7ca62@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10739 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: citri lo glibau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=SDHMoVVfeVimFJpCYFQggh9GKzCZGbVMJ0s2ZZg4ujpNl5T4WA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25128 On 10/28/05, Adam COOPER wrote: > > I think {se sadgunta je tolselctu} {ke natmrkamri tercange [ke'e]} *is* what > I meant. And I think the undertone is that the peasants were Welsh by birth, > but their being uneducated & conquered were circumstances that could have > worked out differently. So {natmrkamri} wants to be bound more closely to > {tercange}. That being said, it's an anachronistic view, because back then > such a person was as much a peasant by birth as he was Welsh, whereas now > you can be born into a tenant farming or small-holding family, but go on to > become a poet. But you're still Welsh. Hmm... In the context, reasons are being provided for why English lost many inflections. Presumably the fact that many speakers were conquered & uneducated & Welsh & peasants is said to have contributed to this. Does the ordering and grouping have anything to do with the fact that these words are noun, pure adjective, verbal adjectives in English? Would saying {tercange je natmrkamri je tolselctu je se sadgunta} for example give a very different impression? Are "essential" properties more likely to appear as tertau and "accidental" ones as seltau? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.