From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Nov 13 08:13:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92745 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 16:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2005 16:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 16:13:13 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EbKQb-0007IY-Su for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:10:02 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EbKOn-0007G4-NS; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:08:13 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EbKOS-0007Fv-9p for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:07:48 -0800 Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EbKOR-0007Fn-8u for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:07:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 40077 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2005 16:07:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20051113160746.40075.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.34.50] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:07:46 PST Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:07:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200511122146.07235.phma@phma.hn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-archive-position: 10771 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: lo nuzba zo'u la'a la kopernik se facki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=DGpnRIk6xKXrQiq0n1czUvoDjtH738jkEKwwp4YUpAHgpfsgNg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25162 --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 12 November 2005 18:47, Adam COOPER > wrote: > > ki'e doi pier i ro da poi do stidi ke'a cu > simlu lo ka ce'u drani kei mi i > > mi ba tugni stika lo xe fanva be fu mi > > ni'o la'a mi pu toldra fanva zoi gy > archaeologist gy fu zo tolci'opre i > > ju'o cu'i zo tolci'oce'upre cu drani xe fanva > > That's a hard one! There are gerontologists, > archeologists, and > paleontologists. I'm thinking {prucedryskepre} > or {dzeskepre}. The > distinction in Lojban may be different than in > English. > As the Greek roots suggest, we have three notions of "old" here, where Lojban has -- at least initially -- none. "geront-" is easy (relatively): {tolcitno}"opposite of young" then decide whether you want just the science of that or the medical science of that. "palai-" fits moderatley well against {cnino}, since it does carry the sense of comfortably (even honorably) familiar as well as fuddy-duddy or obsolete. Of course, paleontolgy is just about non-contemporary organism so you might work off of {cabna} as well as mentuioning biology. And {archai-} more or less copies {palai-} with the hint that (perversely from the English usage) what is talked about is even older: from the beginning. And, of course, archeology is about culture and artifacts, not generally organisms. In this case, I would think it goes better with {cnino} and the organism with {cabna} but that is probably reading a lot of English into the matter. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.