From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Nov 08 09:02:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92217 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2005 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 17:02:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EZWrp-0001Ol-O3 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:02:41 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EZWrF-0001AU-7c; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:02:07 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EZWqv-0001AK-K5 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:01:45 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EZWqt-0001AC-NG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:01:45 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so722996wra for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.99.14 with SMTP id w14mr5482676wrb; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:01:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511080901n5f7644c5tb3d70d7f4d4974c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:01:42 -0300 In-Reply-To: <4370CCC3.1010502@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <149.51471478.30a20146@wmconnect.com> <4370CCC3.1010502@virgin.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10764 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban translation of English "we" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=8k45ymM95p2gCcyaOKvWblzEQQi9Y5kD1A6Rq6mT2uM2rA9I8g X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25155 On 11/8/05, Jessica wrote: > While the listener may not know which is intended, the speaker does. In > your example, "This is our street," you aren't including the listener. > This would be rendered into lojban as {.i ti kluji pe mi'a}. Apologies > if I have misused {pe}. Actually {pe} can only be used to attach one sumti to another, not to a selbri. So using {pe} you could say: ti me lo klaji pe mi'a This is a street of ours. Or you could use the predicate {me mi'a moi} "x1 is our x2 by rule/assignment x3": ti me mi'a moi lo klaji This is our street. Or: le vi klaji cu me mi'a moi This street is ours. Or you could use {ponse}: mi'a ponse le vi klaji We own this street. le vi klaji cu se ponse mi'a This street is owned by us. ti se ponse be mi'a klaji This is an owned-by-us kind of street mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.