From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 06 12:38:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EjjZY-0007kf-IR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:38:00 -0800 Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.119]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EjjZW-0007kY-H8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:38:00 -0800 Received: (qmail 9916 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 20:37:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LXs8rJi2u7U+UGqv3vJA2kLk5xo/e7psODRpDuCnDGiMhaWjkYGeQbhJ9dQUPFn8aPAyea8gup7xArDDRDB04iS42HwDPGPPKmi/c9ar4OGeRRfSM+1c+rgtIGv3tMH9TE1EG2XW+lFH4LiThAiuA0IeONDQGOAHz3bfBDUzzXM= ; Message-ID: <20051206203757.9914.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.168.167] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:37:57 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:37:57 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: logo To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <55b258c20512061219me71adbcyc207b98951edf960@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-archive-position: 10841 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Craig Daniel wrote: > >> > Ah, but many of them developed SVO order > >> > independently; it wasn't > >> > inherited from PIE. Anglo-Saxon was a VO > >> > language, but Latin was > >> > primarily OV; this order remains in > certain > >> > situations in Spanish, > >> > which is a default VO language. > >> > >> "Independently" does not make much sense in > a > >> place as small as Europe or as full of > constantly > >> marauding bands. To be sure, it is not > clear > > True, but it's hard to argue that Germanic > languages had nearly as > much influence on Spanish as, say, Arabic. True, but Spain was ruled by Germans for a fairly long time (or Germany by Spaniards, take your pick). And there is also the constant friction with various Frenches, Italians, and, yes, Englishes. > > What's the word order in Arabic, anyway? Good question. Any at least tyros? > >> > OTOH, my Lojban uses SOV order a bit more > than > >> > is typical. > >> > >> Interesting. Have you had any problems with > >> this? VSO gets incomprehension at least > occasionally. > > I've yet to have any Lojban conversations face > to face, but on IRC I > tend to be understood. However, when a sentence > gets unweildy, I > consistantly revert to the standard SVO order, > which probably helps > comprehension a fair amount. > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to > secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.