From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 13 22:00:51 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmPgo-0002B0-7s for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:34 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmPgn-0002At-Jm for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:33 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "point"? Message-ID: <20051214060033.GD3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20051201201215.GT18294@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20051203071906.GO9262@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512030754r3955ea9fqacb4fdf7e3cdc821@mail.gmail.com> <20051205191156.GB9161@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512051817k91aaaf0mbe52a7cb6566aa7d@mail.gmail.com> <20051214003626.GS3329@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 10878 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:28:01PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > On 12/13/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I'd rather throw my hands up in the air and say "We can't use > > Lojban to talk about computers ever, sorry." than use "vorme" > > for "web link". > > > > That *may* be a slight exagerration, but it doesn't feel so > > right now. > > > That is a definite difference in philosophy. Yep, but maybe not as much as you think. > When that happens, how will it depart from the rigidly > standardized baseline of the experts? Not a clue. :-) > Well, this goal is happening now, and there are some quarters in > which the fulfillment of this purpose is not welcomed. Really? Like who? > {vorme} to mean "web link" feels right to the non-expert. It's a > spandrel. It's the sloppy stop-gap measure so typical of natural > evolution. It's Lojban slang. It's out of the control of the > grammarians who know better. Actually, it's not me in my guise as grammarian that cares; it's me as a computer professional. Conflicts between professionals and non-pros over vocabulary exist in *every* language; I certainly expect them here. > Conflicts like this arise when experts feel that the language > isn't ready for the transition yet; that it hasn't had a chance to > be thoroughly canonized. Erm. Seperate issue. There are aspects of the language that need to be tweaked/fixed, but vocabulary is orthogonal. Vocabulary in Lojban is designed to be extendable and expansible. It's expected that different people will you different words for different things. The fact that I don't like some people's words for some things is pretty much entirely unrelated to the un-finished-ness of the language, IMO. > In this way Lojban is like a kite which is in glorious flight > before its maker has got it tied to the frame really tightly and > some of its streamers are on crooked. Heh. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.