From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 15 16:15:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65737 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 00:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 00:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 00:15:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1En3Ex-0000Uh-PV for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:14:27 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1En3Dx-0000TV-Rw; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:13:28 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1En3DT-0000St-O6 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:12:55 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1En3DR-0000Sj-Bb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:12:55 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so481888wri for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.8 with SMTP id r8mr2048116wra; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.1 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512151612i759f0064s501b4ff60e0c04f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:12:52 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20051215204024.40288.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560512151145h38ac9313jf199d67d61e0e047@mail.gmail.com> <20051215204024.40288.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10903 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A Proposed Explanation of {gunma} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=EKq59g5u5H-IrVFNi81a-BzHBMG1f-H71Q01XiNdIiy6B3-SpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25299 On 12/15/05, John E Clifford wrote: > --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > > On 12/15/05, John E Clifford > > > and as > > > above "John and Mary (separately) picked up > > tools > > > and (together) started to build a house." > > > > Right, this one requires splitting into two > > sentences. > > As a practical matter for the construction of a > language to be used, it would be nice (though > probably not essential) to do this in another way > that was more flexible. For a new language, yes. For Lojban, I don't really see how. I think in practice such precision is not normally needed, and when it is needed it can always be done the long way. It might also be more > accurate, since what is involved is not different > things but different ways they are being > predicated of, so putting the mark of distinction > on the thing-referrer is misleading. Indeed. That's one of the reasons I hardly ever use anything other than lo/le/la these days. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.