From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Dec 14 10:17:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84087 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 18:17:30 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmbBs-0004XH-IH for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:17:24 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmbAO-0004W6-Ar; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:54 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Emb9x-0004Vx-Oh for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:25 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Emb9u-0004Vq-DL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:25 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so165474wri for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.8 with SMTP id r8mr147303wra; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.1 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512141015k6f11ff80u2f045bc76c2984ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:15:19 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20051214003626.GS3329@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051201201215.GT18294@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20051203071906.GO9262@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512030754r3955ea9fqacb4fdf7e3cdc821@mail.gmail.com> <20051205191156.GB9161@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512051817k91aaaf0mbe52a7cb6566aa7d@mail.gmail.com> <20051214003626.GS3329@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10881 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "point"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=K01s3-S-_hCxA82Hjuag7inMyscm460NFKmucY0zvgooGcRJDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25277 On 12/13/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > You exaggerate, how many terms have we really disagreed on? > > Dozens. Basically every computer-related term you've done on the > Tiki I hate. You exaggerate again, I doubt you can list even one dozen you truly hate. And I remember you favourably mentioning {prekarni} for "blog", so you liked at least one of them. :) > I just haven't been pestering you about it because I > haven't had time to come up with better ones, and I feel that people > who can't help should mostly not whine. It would still be helpful to list the ones you don't like if you have the time some time, maybe with some comment on what is bad about them, so maybe I or someone else can think of other options. > > I can only think of {papri} for webpage. I don't really have a > > strong position on this. I don't especially like {papri} or > > {vorme}, but they are better than nothing. > > I disagree; I think they are much, much worse than nothing. I think > they encourage utterly confused thought and inaccurate > understandings of the underlying concepts. I won't claim full understanding of underlying concepts, but use of metaphor does not necessarily always reflect lack of understanding. Sometimes a precise description of the underlying concept is not possible, it would be too long or for some other reason would not necessarily be the best option. Then you can either turn to fu'ivla or metaphoric extension of some other concept. Each has its place in any lannguage. > I'd rather throw my hands up in the air and say "We can't use Lojban > to talk about computers ever, sorry." than use "vorme" for "web > link". > > That *may* be a slight exagerration, but it doesn't feel so right > now. That's always an option for an individual, but you can hardly make that decison for the whole community. And given the composition of the lojban community, making computer talk taboo would not seem to have many chances of success. :) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.