From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 13 22:01:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1486 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 06:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 06:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 06:01:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmPhr-0002By-50 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:01:39 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmPhD-0002BG-Dn; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:01:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmPgo-0002B0-7s for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:34 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmPgn-0002At-Jm for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <20051214060033.GD3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20051201201215.GT18294@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20051203071906.GO9262@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512030754r3955ea9fqacb4fdf7e3cdc821@mail.gmail.com> <20051205191156.GB9161@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512051817k91aaaf0mbe52a7cb6566aa7d@mail.gmail.com> <20051214003626.GS3329@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-archive-position: 10878 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "point"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=x6dCsdKXZhHSf9udtjBExVRYCuOGvKjbE9g5C9DSUUFIhWv6cA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25274 On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:28:01PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > On 12/13/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I'd rather throw my hands up in the air and say "We can't use > > Lojban to talk about computers ever, sorry." than use "vorme" > > for "web link". > > > > That *may* be a slight exagerration, but it doesn't feel so > > right now. > > > That is a definite difference in philosophy. Yep, but maybe not as much as you think. > When that happens, how will it depart from the rigidly > standardized baseline of the experts? Not a clue. :-) > Well, this goal is happening now, and there are some quarters in > which the fulfillment of this purpose is not welcomed. Really? Like who? > {vorme} to mean "web link" feels right to the non-expert. It's a > spandrel. It's the sloppy stop-gap measure so typical of natural > evolution. It's Lojban slang. It's out of the control of the > grammarians who know better. Actually, it's not me in my guise as grammarian that cares; it's me as a computer professional. Conflicts between professionals and non-pros over vocabulary exist in *every* language; I certainly expect them here. > Conflicts like this arise when experts feel that the language > isn't ready for the transition yet; that it hasn't had a chance to > be thoroughly canonized. Erm. Seperate issue. There are aspects of the language that need to be tweaked/fixed, but vocabulary is orthogonal. Vocabulary in Lojban is designed to be extendable and expansible. It's expected that different people will you different words for different things. The fact that I don't like some people's words for some things is pretty much entirely unrelated to the un-finished-ness of the language, IMO. > In this way Lojban is like a kite which is in glorious flight > before its maker has got it tied to the frame really tightly and > some of its streamers are on crooked. Heh. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.