From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 15 11:00:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38535 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2005 19:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2005 19:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2005 19:00:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmyHX-0003X6-EW for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:56:47 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmyGn-0003WX-Eb; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:56:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmyGO-0003WO-3r for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:36 -0800 Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.118]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmyGM-0003WH-UV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 9050 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 18:55:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20051215185533.9048.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.168.167] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:33 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20051215182629.GL3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-archive-position: 10897 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: A Proposed Explanation of {gunma} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Qw_Oet-r8KG3j2glCKG7qX1ek0etvSc1gApyBtsMA6gIeLeilA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25293 --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 08:23:23AM -0800, John > E Clifford wrote: > > > > > > --- Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:38:56PM -0800, > John > > > E Clifford wrote: > > > > The talk about the place structure of > {gunma} and the > > > > subsequent expansions on that got me > wondering just what a > > > > gunma, a "mass," is. > > > > > > The current belief is that it's what McKay > calls a plural. See > > > http://philosophy.syr.edu/mckay.html > > > > Yours but probably not xorxes'; McKay's > plurals are one reading of > > bunches. > > xorxes has stated the opposite: that McKay's > plurals are *not* > bunches. I'm sure he's read it more carefully > than I am, so maybe > he could speak up? Yes, that would be nice. I assume that he objects to the reification that seems to be involved in the use of a term like "bunch." But the *entity* is inessential so long as whatever we are talking about has a relation like "in" ("among" in McKay) with all the relevant properties. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.