From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 15 17:16:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96760 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2005 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2005 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 01:16:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1En4AL-0001Sx-02 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:13:45 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1En49H-0001SL-8S; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:12:41 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1En48r-0001S1-1m for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:12:13 -0800 Received: from web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1En48q-0001Ru-1L for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:12:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 8826 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2005 01:12:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20051216011210.8824.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.168.167] by web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:12:10 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:12:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560512151612i759f0064s501b4ff60e0c04f9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-archive-position: 10905 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: A Proposed Explanation of {gunma} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=dAms7ros2sFrYRou2xQMz0r3uNjeLAotgMxH3EvTsNzlvWO5Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25301 --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 12/15/05, John E Clifford > wrote: > > --- Jorge Llambías > wrote: > > > On 12/15/05, John E Clifford > > > > and as > > > > above "John and Mary (separately) picked > up > > > tools > > > > and (together) started to build a house." > > > > > > Right, this one requires splitting into two > > > sentences. > > > > As a practical matter for the construction of > a > > language to be used, it would be nice (though > > probably not essential) to do this in another > way > > that was more flexible. > > For a new language, yes. For Lojban, I don't > really see how. > I think in practice such precision is not > normally needed, > and when it is needed it can always be done the > long way. > > It might also be more > > accurate, since what is involved is not > different > > things but different ways they are being > > predicated of, so putting the mark of > distinction > > on the thing-referrer is misleading. > > Indeed. That's one of the reasons I hardly ever > use anything > other than lo/le/la these days. > Can't argue with any of this but I still think that a couple of words that fit between argument and predicate (a only slightly restricted UI) would be nice to have (and would free up quite a bit of cmavo space, since we would only need the {lV}s -- (I assume we could be rid of sets gnerally). To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.