From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 06 11:41:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58722 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 19:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 19:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 19:41:39 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ejias-0006n4-6g for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:35:18 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EjiYn-0006lN-Ed; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:33:16 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EjiYO-0006l9-7c for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:32:44 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.206]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EjiYL-0006l1-GX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:32:44 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so133379wra for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.185.2 with SMTP id i2mr900045qbf; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.40.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <55b258c20512061132m4d5bd5eawaf73523316f6b6d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:32:37 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20051206190531.69242.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051206190531.69242.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Craig Daniel From: Craig Daniel Reply-To: craigbdaniel@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: logo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=8Exz_1LWEy7gol1rjqaHIxPxCn4cxs4q_cG-QZfGhN_hTB8erQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25232 > > pity about the place in the head in my opinion. > > Subject, Verb, rest of > > sentence is so Standard average European. In > > fact, it's strange how > > many European languages almost always have the > > verb in 2nd position! > > > > Greg > > Why strange? European languages -- with a couple > of exceptions (and I don't know their standard > word order) -- are all related, many fairly > closely. On the 9other hand, many European > languages do have a common SOV pattern -- with > pronoun objects for example. And, Sapir-Whorf > test notwithstanding, Lojban is very much an SAE > language (as is First Order Predicate Calculus, > although it is usually VSO not SVO). Ah, but many of them developed SVO order independently; it wasn't inherited from PIE. Anglo-Saxon was a VO language, but Latin was primarily OV; this order remains in certain situations in Spanish, which is a default VO language. OTOH, my Lojban uses SOV order a bit more than is typical. mi'e .kreig.daniyl. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.