From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 06 11:09:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18021 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 19:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 19:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 19:09:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Eji91-0006XU-2c for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:31 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eji8O-0006Ws-Vz; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:05:54 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Eji86-0006Wj-Ij for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:05:34 -0800 Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eji84-0006Wb-JA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:05:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 69244 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 19:05:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20051206190531.69242.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.168.167] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:05:31 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:05:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-archive-position: 10836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: logo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=-c66YH4IjUTZn9xqEsonjgx4XZskKBEPJ41YVVZPMN8y9_KYQA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25231 --- Gregory Dyke wrote: > pity about the place in the head in my opinion. > Subject, Verb, rest of > sentence is so Standard average European. In > fact, it's strange how > many European languages almost always have the > verb in 2nd position! > > Greg Why strange? European languages -- with a couple of exceptions (and I don't know their standard word order) -- are all related, many fairly closely. On the 9other hand, many European languages do have a common SOV pattern -- with pronoun objects for example. And, Sapir-Whorf test notwithstanding, Lojban is very much an SAE language (as is First Order Predicate Calculus, although it is usually VSO not SVO). To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.