From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 08 07:52:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19699 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2005 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2005 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2005 15:52:57 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EkO0C-0005NX-VW for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:48:13 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EkNyf-0005Mc-NR; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:46:40 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EkNyM-0005MR-Sa for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:46:19 -0800 Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EkNyC-0005M0-E8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:46:18 -0800 Received: by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix, from userid 72) id 9BDDF33DBE; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:46:04 +0200 (EET) Received: from [139.179.97.195] (unknown [139.179.97.195]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8988033A90 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:46:04 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4398548F.9060504@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:43:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-7.1.20060mdk (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051206203757.9914.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200512061922.12024.phma@phma.hn.org> In-Reply-To: <200512061922.12024.phma@phma.hn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10853 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: robin From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Subject: [lojban] Re: word order was logo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=y2u6W7X2HdaVZVFTyUpiDYd_rLuWDwiiio-CxCC0VvSRq72xAg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25248 Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 06 December 2005 15:37, John E Clifford wrote: > >>--- Craig Daniel wrote: > > >>>What's the word order in Arabic, anyway? >> >>Good question. Any at least tyros? > > > IIRR Semitic was VSO, though SVO is fairly common in Hebrew. > > As to Lojban word order, supposing it to have evolved from some Proto-Loglanic > language instead of being constructed, it appears to me to have been SOV, as > {naku} is easier to understand that way. Some verbs naturally make more sense > in an SSVO construction, such as {frica}. I think one reason for having SVO as the default (rather than VSO, which is closer to predicate logic) is to allow the option of simulating pro-drop languages. Of course there are pro-drop SOV languages, but with no inflection, that could get very confusing. robin.tr To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.