From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Dec 14 10:23:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29942 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2005 18:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2005 18:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 18:23:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmbGc-0004aF-Q0 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:22:18 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmbG5-0004Zd-KR; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmbFg-0004ZU-7c for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:20 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmbFe-0004ZG-86 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:20 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so167013wri for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.6 with SMTP id p6mr1064434wra; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.1 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512141021u2f41a11g644faf6abffe7ba6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:21:16 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20051214061237.GF3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051208071730.GY25496@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4398939A.1090806@lojban.org> <20051209012929.GD2106@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <1E7AC75C-B8B7-4749-ADA5-F5FBF8CC4C44@mac.com> <925d17560512091007p194e507t2461a44906f94350@mail.gmail.com> <20051214002702.GO3329@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512131738w2a0bbf4bi61a99d240b6e922a@mail.gmail.com> <20051214061237.GF3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10882 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A Proposed Explanation of {gunma} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=rPDFQs_dfdAf1wowP5ZXMo5GPHfkObPZ2hOX6GdU9KXAdutBaA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25278 On 12/14/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:38:10PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > > > I think the x1 is a single individual, and the x2 are many > > individuals together (i.e. they constitute the single individual > > x1 all together, not each on its own). > > OK, so you want to use joi for the x2 then (otherwise it doesn't > work at all). Or {ju'o}. > The problem with that is that it's simply "du". > > ly ly gy gunma la xorxes joi la robin joi la bab joi lo drata > > You can replace "gunma" with "du" and it still works. It wouldn't work with {ju'o}, and whether or not it works with {joi} would depend on whether you think {joi} (and {loi}) are reifying or not, i.e. whether you take {mi joi do} to refer to a single entity or to two entities together. I tend to prefer the latter view. > It makes the > word totally useless. Having it as a set to mass conversion, > however, makes it of some use. For me, it is sets that are totally useless. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.