From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 05 18:28:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41906 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2005 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2005 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2005 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EjSQA-0000B1-7z for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:19:10 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EjSPA-0000A1-J9; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:18:13 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EjSOt-00009s-5B for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:51 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EjSOp-00009l-Sd for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:50 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so825478wra for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.72.13 with SMTP id u13mr689516wra; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.5 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:17:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512051817k91aaaf0mbe52a7cb6566aa7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:17:46 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20051205191156.GB9161@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051201201215.GT18294@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20051203071906.GO9262@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560512030754r3955ea9fqacb4fdf7e3cdc821@mail.gmail.com> <20051205191156.GB9161@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "point"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=TMJ9SOAHzFlsA3hG5W8CP9ZNykw-VqJIKmn5Uw2fMAgH-ZamBw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25227 On 12/5/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 12:54:33PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > On 12/3/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > > > lojban.org links to Nick's Lojban pages > > > > {vorme} is not unidirectional, but > > then you can always click on the "back" button, > > *UGH*. Even for you[1] that's a horrible metaphor. The "back" > button does *NOT* make a link bi-directional in any respect > whatsoever. If X links to Y, unless someone else who gets to Y by > some other means can *see* that X links to Y, the link is strongly > unidirectional. Some buildings have emergency exits that allow passage in one direction only (unless under special circumstances, like if you open it from the inside, similar to the special circumstance of being able to go back to the page where you came from). I don't think I would mind {vorme} being used for that kind of door. > Furthermore, the x4 is spurious at best. Actually... The x4 could be used to distinguish links to other pages generally anywhere in x4 = the internet, links to pages in x4 = the same site, and links to other places in x4 = the same page... The main problem I see with {vorme} for "link" is that there are other possibilities in the same general area that could compete for it, such as "portal" or "home page", which are also kinds of entrances. > [1]: xorxes and I have a long-standing fight about computer-related > terminology. I think his creations show a complete lack of > understanding of how computers actually function, You exaggerate, how many terms have we really disagreed on? I can only think of {papri} for webpage. I don't really have a strong position on this. I don't especially like {papri} or {vorme}, but they are better than nothing. One alternative is to create lots of fu'ivla for computer terminology, but in general I prefer to make use of what's available. The metaphor of webpages as places is very strong and productive though. Finding literal terms for "site", "visitor", "enter/leave a page", etc. could be hard, and would it really make things clearer? > and he thinks I > have a pathological fear of metaphor. The truth is probably > somewhere in the middle. I probably wouldn't call it "pathological". :) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.