From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 01 12:16:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35859 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 20:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2005 20:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 20:16:25 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ehunq-0006Bx-DD for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:13:14 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhunB-0006BO-80; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:12:35 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ehumt-0006B9-GX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:12:15 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ehumt-0006B2-8E for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:12:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:12:15 -0800 Message-ID: <20051201201215.GT18294@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-archive-position: 10820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] "point"? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=nmfl5JuhvTsODXyg4q3J-dspFHusU4i1RzwIpe_bkzCQ-IvMGg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25214 I've noticed a lack in Lojban of a word for "pointing" in the most general sense. Or, in fact, in many of its more specific sense. What I'm looking for is the concept that underlies the following: Bob is pointing at Brenda Page 27 references the book Accelerando That stick is pointing at that tree lojban.org links to Nick's Lojban pages In other words, a uni-directional "x1 indicates/point out/shows x2". jarco and srana are both close, but srana isn't unidirectional enough, and jarco is both agentive and bizarre. Furthermore, the audience is very much extra. Or perhaps I'm mis-understanding one of those words, or another one, but I'd sure feel wierd using "jarco" for "That stick is pointing at that tree", which is the use I actually need that led to these thoughts. Ideas? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.