From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 17 07:01:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44204 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2005 15:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 15:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 15:01:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EndVw-00032B-Ii for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:58:24 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EndVJ-00031f-U4; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:57:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EndUr-00031S-E5 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:57:17 -0800 Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EndUq-00031K-CA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:57:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 63082 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2005 14:57:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20051217145711.63080.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.158.161] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:57:11 PST Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:57:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <207.f45a817.30d4c8ca@wmconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-archive-position: 10926 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: A Proposed Explanation of {gunma} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=TJ_7ICwGo9tXyudbLgKEOZPrPy1eVZDYf7X6fmryspOqxy4jaA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25322 --- MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/15/2005 4:22:08 AM > Central Standard Time, John E > Clifford via > ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > > > Although I have at one time or another argued > for > > most of these positions and tried to > interrelate > > them, I now think that some of them are > seriously > > flawed and that a couple of errors pervade > the > > list above. > > > -- > > > they have properties that > > depend upon the > > and > > > from individuals or plurals in that they take > > collective predication rather than > distributive > > (or individual individual predication). > > What do you think about the first two points? > You have only listed them, > AFAICT. Or should the double dash be "are"? Well, "which are" or "namely." I think they are correct, although, when talking to xorxes at least, I would have to say that these claims are not about masses in his sense -- namely, institutionalized, reified, groupings -- but about the more informal loi broda. Of course, most of this applies to xorxes' masses as well. > > think that the fourth point -- that (some) > masses > > do the work of mass nouns is correct but that > > that description of this role -- in Lojban -- > is > > incorrect as given above. The third > > characteristic -- that a mass inherits all > the > > properties of its members (I used to call it > a > > logical sum) -- I now think rests upon some > > interlocking errors. > > > > > stevo > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.