From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Dec 28 23:35:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35998 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2005 07:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2005 07:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 07:35:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ErsG3-0007z1-Gb for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:31:31 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ErsFa-0007y3-HV; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:31:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ErsFA-0007xN-DI for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:30:36 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ErsFA-0007xG-53 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:30:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: <20051229073036.GW5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050315174656.60598.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050315174656.60598.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-archive-position: 10959 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [Archivist] muvdu vs. sezmuvgau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=7m_8lrZ8hPrwMxW50G1fqQRWNiB49QHxNbhF53I8BiQ-dB0DEg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25358 On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 09:46:56AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > The gismu list gives muvgau and muvzu'e for agentive move. > > {muvgau} is agentive but the agent (x1) is not the one changing > location, the x2 is the one that changes location in this case. > > {muvzu'e} is agentive and volitional. x1 is the one that changes > location by its own agency, and also with some goal. > > {sezmuvgau} is like {muvzu'e} but not necessarily volitional. > > {muvdu} is not necessarily agentive nor volitional, but it can of > course be used to describe the motion of a person. It is not > specified whether they move by their own agency and/or volition, > but for people it would probably be the default assumption. xorxes, if you could make sure all of these are in jbovlaste in useful forms that make the distinctions clear, I would be grateful. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.