From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jan 06 00:03:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85563 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 08:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 08:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 08:03:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EumZM-0008B7-21 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:03:32 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EumXT-0007wZ-EB; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:01:40 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EuhWw-00047O-NV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:40:38 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net ([68.230.240.37]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EuhWu-00047D-Il for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:40:38 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [24.250.99.39]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060106023841.ZIPV14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <43BDD896.4080305@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:40:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060105063129.GY3931@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560601050431i1eb4186bx69847bbda3144d4e@mail.gmail.com> <43BDAC35.6070505@lojban.org> <925d17560601051750x787d5026p6d3b094271b257a3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560601051750x787d5026p6d3b094271b257a3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11009 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: stage 1 and 2 non-fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=sx7by5Z0OSnKupP6uguZ_bXOXFyOoLEzj495kkYf8pNgu33kKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25408 Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 1/5/06, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>Jorge Llambías wrote: >> >>> Stage 1 are quoted text, >>>so they are not even borrowings. >> >>Actually, they are the purist form of borrowing, in that they make use >>of another language without consuming or modifying it in any way. > > Yes, I have to admit I was thinking of {zoi}, which is to quote foreign > text, not to borrow it, An utterance that includes a zoi quote is Lojban utterance. A zoi quote thus "borrows" the foreign text for use in a Lojban utterance. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.