From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jan 06 18:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6412 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 02:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2006 02:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 02:13:19 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ev3a1-00015A-E2 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:13:17 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ev3Yq-00014E-AJ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:12:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ev3YN-000141-MX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:11:35 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ev3YK-00013u-I7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:11:35 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so1225461wra for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.8 with SMTP id q8mr1408613wra; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.7 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:11:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560601061811i6d1462e8g793c84ec0e7eb764@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:11:30 -0300 In-Reply-To: <43BEE1C5.60506@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060105063129.GY3931@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560601050431i1eb4186bx69847bbda3144d4e@mail.gmail.com> <43BDAC35.6070505@lojban.org> <925d17560601051750x787d5026p6d3b094271b257a3@mail.gmail.com> <43BDD896.4080305@lojban.org> <925d17560601060450xd31451al5cdb7ea581c1d108@mail.gmail.com> <43BEE1C5.60506@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11012 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: stage 1 and 2 non-fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=uU1eoJXXmwXQOmf-JsosDCMaNiARQ4Bk2kbvtkioiMSUAYlTTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25411 On 1/6/06, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > I went into the room labeled "hjgngh". > > has borrowed "hjgngh" into English temporarily surely as much as "casa" > was borrowed in your example. I wouldn't say so, just like "I went into the room labeled with a star" does not borrow the star into English, not even temporarily. ... > If we disagree on the terminology for this, I think we are rambling in > the semantics of English-language "borrow" in a not-especially-useful > way, We can definitely agree on that! :) ... > Thus it is at most a question whether to label > based on function or form. The terminological issue does not bother me at all. What does bother me a bit is not knowing whether {la'o} is only meant to be used with proper names, as the ma'oste suggests, or whether it is for borrowing common nouns (and perhaps even adjectives and verbs?), as the CLL example and the fact that it is called "stage 1 fu'ivla" suggests, or both (which is a bit incongruous). mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.