From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jan 05 15:34:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40452 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2006 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EuecS-0005zY-Ff for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:34:08 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eueb9-0005yy-St; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:32:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EueZj-0005yQ-FF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:31:19 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net ([68.230.240.38]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EueZh-0005yJ-30 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:31:19 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [24.250.99.39]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060105232938.HXZJ4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:29:38 -0500 Message-ID: <43BDAC35.6070505@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:31:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060105063129.GY3931@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560601050431i1eb4186bx69847bbda3144d4e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560601050431i1eb4186bx69847bbda3144d4e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11005 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: stage 1 and 2 non-fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=SlfgwQ0QlO1iZ_pfS7XLwcqzNnVtd0Hw5sf0j3gnIv8JWdfl4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25404 Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 1/5/06, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >>I don't consider stage 1 and stage 2 borrowings to be fu'ivla, >>because to me fu'ivla means "single brivla that is based on a >>borrowing from another language". >> >>How do other people feel about this? > > > I think cmevla should be a class of brivla. Stage 1 are quoted text, > so they are not even borrowings. Actually, they are the purist form of borrowing, in that they make use of another language without consuming or modifying it in any way. They aren't necessarily valsi, though. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.