From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jan 06 04:52:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57461 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 12:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2006 12:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 12:52:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eur5G-0008PC-HK for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:52:42 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eur42-0008Of-Ld; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:51:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eur3d-0008OV-5W for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:51:01 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.206]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eur3a-0008ON-9d for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:51:00 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2694256wri for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.73.19 with SMTP id v19mr5138048wra; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.7 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:50:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560601060450xd31451al5cdb7ea581c1d108@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:50:56 -0300 In-Reply-To: <43BDD896.4080305@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060105063129.GY3931@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560601050431i1eb4186bx69847bbda3144d4e@mail.gmail.com> <43BDAC35.6070505@lojban.org> <925d17560601051750x787d5026p6d3b094271b257a3@mail.gmail.com> <43BDD896.4080305@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: stage 1 and 2 non-fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=v90ignVD0jQqQ1H7C_Ni3NAVAeD5qVxRxr8J6gbA7Nm9P_q7eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25409 On 1/5/06, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > An utterance that includes a zoi quote is Lojban utterance. A zoi quote > thus "borrows" the foreign text for use in a Lojban utterance. But a quoted word is mentioned, not used in the relevant sense. For example, if I say in English "What does "casa" mean in Spanish?" I'm mentioning the Spanish word "casa", but I'm not borrowing it. If I say "I went into the casa", then I'm using (borrowing) it. On 1/5/06, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > You can also do stuff with {me la'e zoi...}. {me la'e} in general has > some nice potential. What goes in the x1 of {me la'e zoi zoi spaghetti zoi}? {lo spageti}, {lo ka ce'u spageti}, {lo si'o ce'u spageti ce'u}, something else? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.