Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33019 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 22:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 22:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 22:02:25 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqQz-0004hD-1v for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:01:37 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqOu-0004cQ-Jy; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:59:30 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqOS-0004cC-Aa for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:59:00 -0800 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqOQ-0004c5-7l for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:59:00 -0800 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (hive.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.14]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k1RLwb0j004381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:58:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1RLwbcP024736; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:58:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id k1RLwbbi024733; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:58:37 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:58:37 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Adam D. Lopresto" From: "Adam D. Lopresto" Reply-To: adam@pubcrawler.org Subject: [lojban] Re: {bapli} and agentive compulsion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=l79fT0l7r7bC8-biDDWfyqaf5YvKi2ywoAmCXS4cb4KL0csjVg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25544 Content-Length: 1053 Lines: 32 On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Adam COOPER wrote: >I've got an example sentence: "Ben forces Sean to leave." >To express simple agentive compulsion using bapli (x1 [force] (ka) >forces/compels event x2 to occur; x1 determines property x2 to manifest) is >it best to > 1. be true to the definition along the lines of { lo ka la ben kakne > cu bapli lo nu la con cliva } > 2. cheat along the lines of { la ben bapli lo nu la con cliva } > 3. something else I'm overlooking ? I'd suggest {.i la ben jai bapli lo nu la con cliva}. This seems like exactly the reason that {jai} exists. On a side note, "Sean", as I pronounce it at least, is closer to {can} than {con}. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ The old saw about the early bird just goes to show that the worm should have stayed in bed. (Heinlein 1973) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.