Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49329 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 22:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2006 22:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 22:07:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqVj-0004yZ-7j for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:06:31 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqUy-0004xm-Hf; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:46 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqUY-0004xT-NQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:18 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqUW-0004xF-Pr for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:18 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so948157wra for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr4849075wrc; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560602271405u119a9770yfa3b6d3eb27205f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:05:15 -0300 In-Reply-To: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: {bapli} and agentive compulsion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Gi3Iptlrk5CP5_-ELBAKvu9KRhoZKmhm7nMgVCJ_kNdz0eM7xQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25545 Content-Length: 968 Lines: 29 On 2/27/06, Adam COOPER wrote: > coi ro do > I've got an example sentence: "Ben forces Sean to leave." > To express simple agentive compulsion using bapli (x1 [force] (ka) > forces/compels event x2 to occur; x1 determines property x2 to manifest) is > it best to > > be true to the definition along the lines of { lo ka la ben kakne cu bapli > lo nu la con cliva } (Do you mean {zukte} rather than {kakne}?) How would a property force Sean to leave? If anything it would seem an event (nu) would go there rather than a property (ka). > cheat along the lines of { la ben bapli lo nu la con cliva } That's how I would say it. If that is cheating, then Lojban can't be spoken without cheating. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.