From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Feb 01 05:05:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6787 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 13:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2006 13:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 13:05:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F4HcV-0001rf-9d for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 05:01:59 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F4Haw-0001qb-K4; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 05:00:25 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 05:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F4HaQ-0001po-0Y for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:59:50 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F4HaL-0001pg-CX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:59:49 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so139981wri for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.86.12 with SMTP id j12mr5181206wrb; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.19 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560602010459x4ed795b4m1ae2b26e0c19e37a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:59:43 -0300 In-Reply-To: <1551147911.20060201184624@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <777938058.20060201155929@mail.ru> <925d17560602010425s2890d279p683a3c13cf3a3440@mail.gmail.com> <1551147911.20060201184624@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Why is this ungrammatical? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=HS2Uv5X86yFZFWnTyxjTe6yHndQIpvRWH_lxFwx-mXM9MgS4Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25505 On 2/1/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > 01.02.2006, 18:25 Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > On 2/1/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > >> *roda rode zo'u lonu da gasnu lonu de morsi kei kei du lonu da catra de > >> (If X acts so that Y is dead, that is the same thing as X kills Y) > >> > >> jbofi'e spits at this. Why? > > > A prenex has to be followed by a bridi, and there is no bridi there. > > Replace {kei kei} with {cu} and it should work. > > > {lo (nu da gasnu lo (nu de morsi kei) kei) du} is a sumti. > > In this case, why {mi du do} is grammatical? Because {mi} is a closed sumti, so there is no possibility for it to absorb the following tanru unit {du}. You don't need a {cu} between {mi} and {klama} in {mi klama le zarci}, and similarly you don't need it between {mi} and {du}. {mi cu du do} is also grammatical, but the {cu} is not necessary there. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.