From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Mar 18 08:25:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75664 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 16:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 16:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 16:25:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKeFA-00007P-4C for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:25:32 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKeDw-000064-SS; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:24:19 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKeDW-00005S-L4 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:50 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKeDT-00005K-UB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:50 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so808545wri for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.86.16 with SMTP id j16mr2416782wrb; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.10 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603180823m5e01a1celc0e7beacde4aea08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:23:46 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060317232237.6492.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603171301w71378637w10d8d846c6ff783e@mail.gmail.com> <20060317232237.6492.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=DAked5EVqUCizArVoY1oB8iNHs60KgnKmWOUl5P4NXuvvdw8SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25574 On 3/17/06, John E Clifford wrote: > I think it is important to stress the "in frame > of reference" version of x3, especially if the > "facing" version is creating problems. But how > do we say a frame of reference? Typical frames of reference in x3 could be: -The very positional reference in x2, if it is something with an intrinsic right side, such as a person. ("ri" will often get to it) -The speaker ("mi"). -The audience ("do"). -Some significant bystander. -A generic, unambiguously oriented person, e.g. "someone looking south" ("lo catlu be lo snanu"). -Anything else around with an intrinsic right side. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.