From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Mar 22 05:32:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17673 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 13:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 13:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 13:32:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FM3OI-0001EF-TM for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:28:49 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FM3KN-00019e-9U; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:25:03 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FM3Jf-00018t-8W for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:23:59 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FM3Jb-00018h-7m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:23:58 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so155422wri for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.153.18 with SMTP id a18mr581051wre; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.10 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:23:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603220523i3c569819w83d892639f5bbdb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:23:51 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060322005538.95287.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603210710q38c0551bn92ac7959151deb2b@mail.gmail.com> <20060322005538.95287.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=9cszO55uebB7Ao6pOQTqHSsh8XPIElx4z4iQnCuinjdYDlB6Lw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25617 On 3/21/06, John E Clifford wrote: > Thanks for the list. Mine came out a bit > different, largely because of different readings > (apparently) of either the NSM list or of the > Lojban. Any interesting difference worth mentioning? > The NSM list, since the words are > primes, does not get a lot of explanation, > although the issue of Theoretical Linguistics on > NSM (v. 29, #3) does clarify a few by giving > unambiguous (well, much less ambiguous) frames > taken as decisive. I later found a couple of articles with some examples, so some of them were a bit more clear. For example "SOMETHING" does not have to be an object, it can also be an action, as in "I do something", but presumably it cannot be a person, so there is no direct equivalent in Lojban {lo dacti} covers too little and {da} covers too much. > The Lojban-Lojban section of > jbovlaste is a step in the right direction, > lacking mainly a definitive list of primes and of > normative contexts for definitions. And, of > course, covering more words. Yes. I don't really believe in definitive lists of primes, but I do believe that defining things in terms of simpler concepts is worthwhile. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.