From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Mar 24 15:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8520 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2006 23:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2006 23:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2006 23:51:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FMw48-00033u-3h for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:51:36 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FMw28-000318-QO; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FMw1g-00030z-WC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:05 -0800 Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FMw1f-00030s-Vh for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 23510 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2006 23:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060324234902.23508.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.183.14] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:02 PST Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=8DzDJQtKreERMaL7UFZjneTF9lhwwFisT-ZsfIFe71Xs-Gg5DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25650 While I don't have a complete list of all the readily available NSM English definitions, all the one I do have use FEEL in the emotion sense, not the sensation one: "Feel something good" refers to an emotion, not Angelina Jolie's left tit. I would welcome a different kind since part of my paper is on the fudging that semantic-prime-ists have to go through to make their (31, 63, 118, ...) primes work. --- Alex Joseph Martini wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Friday 24 March 2006 10:19, Jorge Llambías > wrote: > >> Well, Lojban doesn't seem to have a word for > FEEL which covers both > >> sensations and emotions, but then it is not > a natural language, and > >> the word could always be introduced as a > lujvo or fu'ivla. :) > > > > I've heard people say "I'm feeling badly" > when they mean "I'm feeling > > bad", and I want to ask them if they're > having problems with cold, > > heat, pressure, or light touch ;) > > I believe this actually stems from a > hyper-correction, similar to when > people say "Jim gave it to Joe and I" when it > ought to be "Joe and me". > In all other cases, bad is used with nouns (a > bad manager) and badly > with verbs (to paint badly). Except with feel, > because English loves its > exceptions. So people get into the habit of > saying badly rather than > bad, like (paint badly) rather than (paint > bad), and extend it just one > verb too far. > > zo'o Nice thing Lojban doesn't do this. > > > There are probably natural languages which > use two different words for > > these, but I don't know which ones offhand. > > > > phma > > As I recall, Spanish usually uses {sentir} for > feelings and {tocar} for > touching-feeling. Although, I don't think > {tocar} is the right verb to > say "it feels rough"; then you might use > {parecer} 'seems'. > > mu'omi'e .aleks. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.