From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Mar 28 08:51:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60657 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 16:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 16:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 16:51:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOHOu-0006fx-Tm for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:50:37 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOHOP-0006ea-VT; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:50:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOHO0-0006e9-Fj for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:40 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.234]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOHNz-0006e1-L7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:40 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1709178wra for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with SMTP id y15mr1967996wrb; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603280849s4dbf8c6anb5147083bcbe72ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:49:35 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060328164125.78202.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603280754h6029b7f1k4e86efaaa9c29058@mail.gmail.com> <20060328164125.78202.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 11270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=pWb0PkKGsnjKdyZQvqJWgSAnJj_viLRt9r3CqKCg31BZsqViBA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25680 On 3/28/06, John E Clifford wrote: > --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > I wonder how NSM paraphrases "X believes Y" > > (perhaps > > "X thinks that Y is true"?) and once it gets > > that, why it can't > > also get a suitable paraphrase for KNOW > > (something like > > "Y is true and X thinks that Y is true" and > > probably a couple > > more things?). > > Historically, it has been those couple more > things, usually summed up as "X is justified in > this belief," that have been the hard part (no > one has a generally accepted version that can be > made to work in practice). But presumably "is justified in" can also be paraphrased, and unless the paraphrase involves KNOW (which is not clear that it should, probably something involving IF's and "PEOPLE would THINK"s), then KNOW should be paraphrasable too. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.