From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Mar 26 07:57:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73333 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2006 15:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2006 15:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2006 15:57:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNXcK-0000ij-6E for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:57:24 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNXb9-0000hz-7Y; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:56:13 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNXaf-0000hl-1E for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:55:41 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNXac-0000he-TM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:55:40 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1337287wra for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr2242834wrb; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.13 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:55:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603260755l6f9f865dg15ba241eb023da41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:55:37 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060325172501.35040.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603250643w3009e16p5cec800e56b0c14d@mail.gmail.com> <20060325172501.35040.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=VUZUG54p6-vptjd86y_5UjZEIBWBHSkNRS7ixFO2woy7BaNhqA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25657 On 3/25/06, John E Clifford wrote: > Yeah, "emotion" was a bad choice of word, > probably generated because so many of the > definitions in which FEEL appears are about > emotions. Your characterization is better. But > the essential thing is to note that it does not > cover "feel that" constructions. The essential thing in this context was that the prime FEEL does not have a Lojban equivalent, that Lojban splits this prime in two: {cinmo} and {ganse}. Other primes that Lojban seems to split are for example THINK into {pensi} and {jinvi}, HAPPEN into {fasnu} and {se lifri}, and probably KNOW into {djuno} and {se slabu}. Not to mention the very problematic HAVE. I don't know what the Spanish prime corresponding to YOU is either. There are four candidates: "tú", "usted", "ustedes" and "vosotros", and it's hard to say that there are no conceptual differences among them. So the primes seem to fit English very well but other languages not so well. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.