From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Mar 17 08:16:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38202 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 16:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 16:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 16:15:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKHcH-0000L2-Gl for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:15:53 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKHb5-0000JF-AW; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:41 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKHac-0000J5-Lf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:10 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKHaa-0000Ix-Ss for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:10 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so564268wra for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.123.19 with SMTP id v19mr1618780wrc; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603170814o3fffb8afg8851c4ee446d09a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:14:07 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060317150213.55646.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060317150213.55646.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=TOBOkJ-wAoBbQTScA1dIvoSrXszUJF0shYskrJMrnD_pJw0Dsg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25569 On 3/17/06, John E Clifford wrote: > What was the issue > and how was it resolved (or can you give me a > Subject line to get into the thread)? We might as well restart it here, since it wasn't really resolved. Some of the positions were: 1) x1 has to be facing x3 (Nobody really supported this, but the English wording of some example or other suggested it.) 2) x2 has to be facing x3 (This is somewhat suggested by the wording of the definition.) 3) x2 need not necessarily have a face (it may be a ball, for example) but if some object like a person were to stand where x2 is, and face towards x3, then x1 would be to their right. 4) Something else I don't remember. 5) x3 and only x3 determines which way is right and which way is left. Only the location, not the orientation, of x2 matters. My choice was (5). The problem with (3) is that it requires an externally given up/down direction for unambiguity. Also, it is not clear how one would say "he sits at the right hand of the father". What would we put in x3 in such cases? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.