From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Mar 21 16:50:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18916 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 00:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 00:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 00:50:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLrYa-0000sW-DH for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:50:36 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLrX5-0000qP-QW; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:49:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLrWd-0000q6-L9 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:48:35 -0800 Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLrWb-0000py-Qh for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:48:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 56997 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2006 00:48:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060322004832.56995.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.183.14] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:48:32 PST Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:48:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560603211142x357efdb4w16b50535985d9fb9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: ce'u: lambda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_-OXWN_SOQK9DYq6q49Can6OdKoNbFiB8u2geNFK2l6TzEhn1g X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25611 It's not restricted to {ka} although most uses have involved either {ka} or {du'u}, but there are nice ones with {ni}, too. and any abstraction is possible -- we just don't use the other abstractions much. Lojban usage disguises the quantifier-like-ness of the concept: in the lambda calculus, lambda + variable come before the bridi portion and the variable is then repeated inside the bridi portion, lust like a quantifier except that it makes a term not a sentence. Lojban just put {ce'u} where the variable inside the bridi would have gone. --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 3/21/06, Matt Arnold > wrote: > > In practical terms, what does > > it mean to be a pseudo-quantifier binding a > variable within an abstraction > > that represents an open place? > > {ce'u} is used within {ka} abstractions to > indicate the place where > the property holder goes, much like {ke'a} in > noi/poi relative clauses. > > For example: > > mi mutce lo ka ce'u dunda > "I am very much of a giver." > > mi mutce lo ka dunda ce'u > "I am very much of a gift." > > mi mutce lo ka dunda fi ce'u > "I am very much of a receiver." > > do mi zmadu lo ka ce'u dunda > "You are more of a giver than me." > > do mi frica lo ka xo kau da bruna ce'u > "You differ from me in how many brothers > each of us has." > > etc. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to > secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.