From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Mar 28 08:01:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71640 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2006 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2006 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2006 16:01:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOGdW-0005fC-Rd for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:39 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOGcw-0005eE-NH; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:03 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOGcL-0005dc-S2 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:00:26 -0800 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOGcJ-0005dR-TL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:00:25 -0800 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id d.2ab.a8ad1e (3940) for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:00:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ab.a8ad1e.315ab786@wmconnect.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:00:06 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2ab.a8ad1e.315ab786_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-archive-position: 11265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com From: lojban-out@lojban.org Reply-To: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Subject: [lojban] NMS: glosses and YOU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=LuelaZNVPQUOzE2-7XyUC6YYDfAJsSx2ViK4SRPVUnVXWpG7OQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25676 --part1_2ab.a8ad1e.315ab786_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/28/2006 4:22:12 AM Central Standard Time,=20 ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > Well, either Lojban doesn't do it well or Lojban doesn't do it just > like English. If the English way is truly prime and universal, then > Lojban doesn't do it well. >=20 >=20 > > > I don't know what the Spanish prime > > > corresponding > > > to YOU is either. There are four candidates: > > > "t=FA", "usted", "ustedes" and "vosotros", and > > > it's hard > > > to say that there are no conceptual differences > > > among > > > them. >=20 The English glosses are not the primes. They're the English reflections of= =20 the primes.=20=20 One of the glosses for YOU is THOU, thus YOU should be understood as=20 singular: t=FA or usted. I'd go with the meaning that these two share. stevo --part1_2ab.a8ad1e.315ab786_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/28/2006 4:22= :12 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:


Well, either Lojban doesn= 't do it well or Lojban doesn't do it just
like English. If the English way is truly prime and universal, then
Lojban doesn't do it well.


> > I don't know what the Spanish prime
> > corresponding
> > to YOU is either. There are four candidates:
> > "t=FA", "usted", "ustedes" and "vosotros", and
> > it's hard
> > to say that there are no conceptual differences
> > among
> > them.


The English glosses are not the primes.  They're the English refle= ctions of the primes.  
One of the glosses for YOU is THOU, thus YOU should be understood as si= ngular: t=FA or usted.  I'd go with the meaning that these two share.

stevo --part1_2ab.a8ad1e.315ab786_boundary--