From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Mar 20 05:48:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20028 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLKjl-0004Ly-1Q for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:47:57 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLKih-0004LM-2X; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:46:54 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLKi8-0004L9-TP for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:46:17 -0800 Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLKi0-0004L1-JP for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:46:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 26654 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2006 13:46:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20060320134607.26652.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.183.14] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:46:07 PST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:46:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560603200435j11ca8350ie6cd5fda599d2be4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Sfwcq3YXVtjRTCkGNriRS4kAm1PQqfVu_kycKZhpcEw9pK-n8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25583 All the hypothetical cases "if someone were looking toward the mountain, then the ball would be on the tree's right" and so on. There is apparently no such person and yet the location is clear. --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 3/18/06, John E Clifford > wrote: > > Maybe we can assume that the > > frame of reference is always a person looking > > some way and collapse the whole to the person > (as > > you seem to suggest) and assume he is looking > the > > way he in fact is, > > Why do you need to assume that? Isn't a person > always > looking the way they in fact are? > > > but that seems to me to miss a > > lot of cases. How are they to be expressed? > > Which case does it miss? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to > secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.