From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Mar 21 13:29:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46272 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 21:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 21:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 21:29:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLoPt-00055b-NS for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:29:25 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLoMJ-00052c-63; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:43 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLoLq-00052I-1U for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:14 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLoLn-00052A-SM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:13 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so1524380nzd for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.15.76 with SMTP id s76mr74786nzi; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.20.27 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:25:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:25:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <925d17560603211142x357efdb4w16b50535985d9fb9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14128_2166266.1142976310579" References: <925d17560603211142x357efdb4w16b50535985d9fb9@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 11200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Matt Arnold" From: "Matt Arnold" Reply-To: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: ce'u: lambda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=L3p764tZ_290lq0MPMyxJzps5BYASe43K9dLXasK36ZGIS9sEg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25610 ------=_Part_14128_2166266.1142976310579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ki'esai xorxes! Thanks! Incidentally, in your last sentence you demonstrated a use for {kau= } that made it much more useful to me as well. -epkat On 3/21/06, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On 3/21/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > > In practical terms, what does > > it mean to be a pseudo-quantifier binding a variable within an > abstraction > > that represents an open place? > > {ce'u} is used within {ka} abstractions to indicate the place where > the property holder goes, much like {ke'a} in noi/poi relative clauses. > > For example: > > mi mutce lo ka ce'u dunda > "I am very much of a giver." > > mi mutce lo ka dunda ce'u > "I am very much of a gift." > > mi mutce lo ka dunda fi ce'u > "I am very much of a receiver." > > do mi zmadu lo ka ce'u dunda > "You are more of a giver than me." > > do mi frica lo ka xo kau da bruna ce'u > "You differ from me in how many brothers each of us has." > > etc. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > ------=_Part_14128_2166266.1142976310579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ki'esai xorxes!

Thanks! Incidentally, in your last sentence you demo= nstrated a use for {kau} that made it much more useful to me as well.
-epkat

On 3/21/06, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias= @gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/21/06, Matt Arnold <matt.= mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> In practical terms, what does
&= gt; it mean to be a pseudo-quantifier binding a variable within an abstract= ion
> that represents an open place?

{ce'u} is used within {ka} a= bstractions to indicate the place where
the property holder goes, much l= ike {ke'a} in noi/poi relative clauses.

For example:

 &n= bsp; mi mutce lo ka ce'u dunda
   "I am very much of a giver."

  = mi mutce lo ka dunda ce'u
   "I am very much of a gift.&= quot;

   mi mutce lo ka dunda fi ce'u
   &quo= t;I am very much of a receiver."

   do mi zmadu lo ka= ce'u dunda
   "You are more of a giver than me."

 =   do mi frica lo ka xo kau da bruna ce'u
   "You dif= fer from me in how many brothers each of us has."

etc.

m= u'o mi'e xorxes


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