From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Mar 25 06:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3603 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 14:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 14:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 14:46:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNA1v-0004JE-Qo for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:46:16 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FN9zr-0004Ht-SX; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:44:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FN9zL-0004Hi-BN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:43:35 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FN9zI-0004Hb-Kx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:43:35 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1044172wra for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.60.40 with SMTP id i40mr1145231wra; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.13 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:43:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603250643w3009e16p5cec800e56b0c14d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:43:30 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060324234902.23508.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060324234902.23508.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=BtjmEqzPADfar492Fo6U539jjKBUh_j63YlzujQcEIX_TTpzyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25652 On 3/24/06, John E Clifford wrote: > While I don't have a complete list of all the > readily available NSM English definitions, all > the one I do have use FEEL in the emotion sense, > not the sensation one: "Feel something good" > refers to an emotion, not Angelina Jolie's left > tit. As I understand it, it does not refer to active feeling, but to any passive feeling, be it of sensations or emotions. See http://elies.rediris.es/Language_Design/LD2/wierzbicka.pdf where Wierzbicka writes, among other things: "I am suggesting, then, that while the concept of 'feeling' is universal and can be safely used in the investigation of human experience and human nature, [...] the concept of 'emotion' is culture-bound, and cannot be similarly relied on." One example she gives is the "feeling of hunger", which is not an "emotion of hunger". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.