From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Mar 25 09:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51685 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2006 17:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2006 17:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2006 17:26:16 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNCWY-0006uj-S1 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:26:03 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNCW1-0006tO-Py; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:25:31 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNCVc-0006sf-9Y for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:25:04 -0800 Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FNCVb-0006sN-0k for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:25:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 35045 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2006 17:25:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060325172501.35040.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.183.14] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:25:00 PST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:25:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560603250643w3009e16p5cec800e56b0c14d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=PxzhKX8hB1JNQjO0KKt7_pHbQk470XdZrhSCXDyb-V_dkW_iRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25655 --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 3/24/06, John E Clifford > wrote: > > While I don't have a complete list of all the > > readily available NSM English definitions, > all > > the one I do have use FEEL in the emotion > sense, > > not the sensation one: "Feel something good" > > refers to an emotion, not Angelina Jolie's > left > > tit. > > As I understand it, it does not refer to active > feeling, > but to any passive feeling, be it of sensations > or emotions. > See > http://elies.rediris.es/Language_Design/LD2/wierzbicka.pdf > where Wierzbicka writes, among other things: "I > am > suggesting, then, that while the concept of > 'feeling' > is universal and can be safely used in the > investigation > of human experience and human nature, [...] the > concept > of 'emotion' is culture-bound, and cannot be > similarly > relied on." > > One example she gives is the "feeling of > hunger", which > is not an "emotion of hunger". Yeah, "emotion" was a bad choice of word, probably generated because so many of the definitions in which FEEL appears are about emotions. Your characterization is better. But the essential thing is to note that it does not cover "feel that" constructions. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.