From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Mar 21 05:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69359 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 13:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2006 13:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 13:42:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLh8H-0000AN-GA for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:42:45 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLh7d-000062-VK; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:42:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLh79-000055-KG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:41:35 -0800 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLh78-00004x-GX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:41:35 -0800 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id d.2cf.59c0fe4 (39330) for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:41:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84@wmconnect.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:41:24 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-archive-position: 11192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com From: lojban-out@lojban.org Reply-To: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Subject: [lojban] "on Billy's right" vs. "to the right of Billy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=OI7z6L7HfqGwTCNFw-z6zxe44bfOtIqxRw5mC4iFGF5pud9buw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25602 --part1_2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/21/2006 4:23:05 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > Byt the way, is there a regular distinction > between "on Billy's right" and "to the right of > Billy"? > Most definitely. If you and I together are looking at a stage full of children, including Billy, and I want to draw your attention to Mary, I could tell you: "Mary is the girl to the right of Billy", which means in your and my frame of reference, regardless of the orientation of Billy. If I say "Mary is the girl on Billy's right", then the frame of reference shifts to Billy's frame of reference. stevo --part1_2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/21/2006 4:23= :05 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:


Byt the way, is there a r= egular distinction
between "on Billy's right" and "to the right of
Billy"?


Most definitely.
If you and I together are looking at a stage full of children, includin= g Billy, and I want to draw your attention to Mary, I could tell you: "Mary= is the girl to the right of Billy", which means in your and my frame of re= ference, regardless of the orientation of Billy.=20
If I say "Mary is the girl on Billy's right", then the frame of referen= ce shifts to Billy's frame of reference.

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