From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Mar 20 09:21:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33863 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 17:21:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLO4H-0000St-Ns for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:21:21 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLO3l-0000Ro-Qa; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:20:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLO3J-0000RH-Oy for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:20:21 -0800 Received: from web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLO3I-0000R7-0X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:20:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 26659 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2006 17:20:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20060320172018.26657.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.183.14] by web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:20:18 PST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:20:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20060320192741.X36008@mail.sksys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: x2 of klesi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_d_Ra917BrQ44xQqtlHgFR6SQOmjCnPaFZ96-H6_9FsVkQ_3GA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25590 Well it's tempting to read the palces of {klesi} as genus, species and differens, but that is not absolutely required: x1 might be definable segment of any plurality or mass (in the usal sense, not the Lojbanic). Insofar then as {lo birje} indicates eithe a bunch of helpings or the mass of all beer (the first is likely, the second less so),it is a suitable object to subdivide {la bak cu klesi lomi birje} "I somtimes drink bock beer" --- Cyril Slobin wrote: > coi rodo > > What kind of sumti can fill x2 place of > {klesi}? Definition said like it > is a superclass of x1. Xorxes (who is much more > skilled in lojban than I > am) uses {klesi be lo birje}, but I doubt this > is correct. I believe > that {lo birje} is "a portion of a beer", not > "a beer as a class". Or > did I misunderstood something? > > co'o mi'e kir. > > -- > Cyril Slobin > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to > secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.