From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 28 05:56:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14193 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 12:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2006 12:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 12:53:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FZSH1-000271-NR for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:40:40 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FZSFZ-00025P-Vr; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:39:12 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FZSF6-000250-Gq for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:38:40 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.225]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FZSF4-00024t-JO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:38:40 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1617506wri for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.152.15 with SMTP id z15mr110182wrd; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.18 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560604280538t15446195h83a86d666fd75313@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:36 -0300 In-Reply-To: <1158196915.20060428162041@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1158196915.20060428162041@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: mi'o pensi'u X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=oLc-1tFWyiwMHvMlcpsuElhhq4HtkTzbVSxombbvdVcW0AannA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25767 On 4/28/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > simxu means "x1 (set) has members who mutually/reciprocally x2" Personally, I never use a set for the x1 of {simxu}. I take {simxu} to mean instead: "x1 (plural) mutually/reciprocally do x2". Mixing sets with normal stuff is extremely cumbersome, and doesn't really get you anything, so I don't use sets. For example, if you do use sets for the x1 of simxu and you wanted to say "we will meet each other and then go for a beer", you would have to split it into two separate bridi because sets wouldn't go for a beer. > My question is, can {mi'o} be used in a place of set? I don't think so. But then, I don't think any place should be reserved for (logical) sets. > What is it indentical to, {mi .e do}, {mi joi do} or {mi ce do}? I would say {mi jo'u do}, which is non-commital for distributivity. It can be used both distributively and non-distributively. When context doesn't provide the needed precision, one can use the more wordy and precise forms. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.