From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 08 23:44:39 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdLxF-0004ue-2G for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:21 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com ([66.249.82.203]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdLxB-0004uW-Rx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:20 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h26so960020wxd for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RMcegKpTOZCAyrGcLyFgrCCGk2RVRqBI9yBetMg2Z4LkKJdV5rvg5P9mfX515n1JGxVAceUT9rcSffK3KyLuzfj7dFa1kh+0lubGeCvk30Gha0YuNBl3OSbGynGSAw3YUbkC7BcgRjXVAar+LuY6SujCHzGuq4O2hxbKq1p8lpQ= Received: by 10.70.42.10 with SMTP id p10mr3403337wxp; Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.101? ( [203.191.164.14]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h19sm3146614wxd.2006.05.08.23.44.15; Mon, 08 May 2006 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446039DA.40909@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:42:34 +1000 From: Paul Vigo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Scholasticism References: <20060508152918.17862.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <366115241.20060509075751@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <366115241.20060509075751@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11443 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: paulvigo@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Yanis Batura wrote: > If we could take all energy spent on endless scholastic debates ABOUT > Lojban IN English, and convert it to learning OF Lojban and writing IN > Lojban, what would we have? > > > - A fine corpus of Lojban literature; > > - A set of good-quality Lojban textbooks for beginners; > > - Much, much more saturated jbovlaste; > > - Larger number of Lojban speakers; > > - Growth of Lojban community, after all. > > But alas, this conversion is not at all possible. > > uinai > I agree, I'm just starting to learn lojban and have found a dearth of good transliterated lojbanic text to play with. There seems to be so much more about lojban than in it. I had considered learning lojban many years ago but was scared off at the time by the great loglan/lojban falling out. (It started to sound a little bit too esperanto to me. ) Now I'm back studying it in earnest with all the literature, dictionaries and such i can cram into my palm pilot. I'm starting off by trying to translate becketts waiting for godot. Insane perhaps, but no more so than learning the language in the first place, and at least it starts out with some fairly basic descriptors and actions. Maybe I'll be able to bang out and debug a bit of it before I embarras myself with my ten word vocab and malgrammatical utterances online. If someone with more skills than me wanted to attack any of the cc licensed texts online then at least we may have something longer than aesops fables to read. Cory Doctorow has a few books available. hmmm. BTW any other lojbanics in melbourne australia (oh apart from nick (who I haven't met (in case you'd assumed I had)))? .pav. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.