From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 12 16:41:14 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 May 2006 16:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FehFf-0006kt-K5 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:40:55 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FehFb-0006kk-23 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:40:55 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so512394nzf for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:40:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tK/MLx5q7wwuTtjWD9nEpavzA/wd0QCR3GGxbK7OP/x7+EiONvevAlEA9kYmfTnYwzs9tq4/Hm+Xb7v8MtUwKaRexuvV7tFUgIqvgG81YcV7+Rylisp7y7Nop/VVnp5uiEwS4FCSJMrxDANTPpM8V1LiXbJcfpdYH79HktGJafk= Received: by 10.36.19.18 with SMTP id 18mr436613nzs; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.14 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:40:49 -0600 From: "Maxim Katcharov" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le In-Reply-To: <925d17560605121557l1341cd6dn57fab88b8c956e80@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605110956u4dd0b662xffdce093966219b6@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605111709w1198a046n52838e84ee0fcc1c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605111827s5c1ee336u524d2a08555bd739@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605120641y12e1cfb7ydb80fad3d465bb1a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605121557l1341cd6dn57fab88b8c956e80@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11524 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/12/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/12/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > On 5/12/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > > > It's not something that comes up very often, so in my opinion it is not > > > a good idea to waste a short expresion for it. > > > > But it is used a lot. > > Could you show an example from some actual usage? I did a > Google search for "all bears" and none of the hits seemed to be > about "all bears that ever existed or will ever exist, real or imaginary, > toy or flesh and blood, in this world or in any other world, etc. etc." > I never said that I want to refer to "all bears" unconstrained by anything, in fact I've stated that this would usually be the wrong thing to do - but that shouldn't mean that one can't do it. No, the utility of my inner {ro} is much more obvious when taken in the context of the "all bears in the cage" example (which is an "actual" example, and which you seem to have ignored), where the referant is constrained by something more than "that which is a bear" (e.g. "that which is a bear, and that which is in /that/ cage"). To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.