From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 21 18:39:45 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhzOJ-0007jx-DB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:27 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhzOG-0007jm-Sl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:27 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id f1so1057030nzc for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fvQDanjxNVvdqwu+BfUNwpDSAUBnUHgG5XTQ9AKv9KD36jvWE2XAuxw9Fw8gIdUIjALiHGKbJ3oEzhus5gMWkfu3lQIsNqbS4KvA1nhETRnQtpwfVp7zXnhizPWnlto4uX2pi2QrRhXhZj6khl/BLs/rMuv0LjMxOrRskO6XsYs= Received: by 10.37.20.49 with SMTP id x49mr5375004nzi; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.14 with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:39:23 -0600 From: "Maxim Katcharov" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: <925d17560605211759s500cdb76kdae7425caf46c8f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605160731j379ecfdbo42862a88433e112c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605200715t32c87d1dpf95ffb3023c95526@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605201618u41770ed9ob343bbe248e22606@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605210914u7d4863b7qbf4a28a5fe3e72ee@mail.gmail.com> <370394AC-290A-404D-BEC7-5466A31BC3C2@umich.edu> <925d17560605211759s500cdb76kdae7425caf46c8f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/21/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/21/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > > > - perhaps {ckini} > > would be the proper corresponding gismu for {pe}? {srana} seems to > > mean "x1 is about/based on the existence of x2", or "x1 is of interest > > in some way to the understanding of x2". > > CLL gives {srana} for it. I don't think {srana} is correct. If it is correct, then what do you define srana as? And what's the difference between srana and ckini? > > That's vague enough, but {ckini} is perhaps excessivley vague, since > anything is related to anything else by some relationship, so it would Yes, I agree, though perhaps if it was defined as "related to x2 in some coherent way"? > be like no restriction at all. On the other hand, the mere presence of the > sumti must pragmatically respond to some relevance, so I suppose > {ckini} should work too. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.