From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 22 23:16:51 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 May 2006 23:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiQBw-0000eg-Tc for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:16:29 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiQBu-0000eY-Cs for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:16:28 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id f1so1331263nzc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:16:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E2qDPCCElJrhSc0PhIjOO4BOEhZzjfuzT7Tsk3CUDQFnHgdGx92IBEtiWd+r1r+k9YktQ8nRtpgon8xHn82xT7NeXy8gGmK67lnsNZc/NJSQSfIoMfMMSivve+GHi2/OdYZ6lNbBDtxRiapLg/13S2/bIIYUsYmnKFgsxKb0a80= Received: by 10.37.21.60 with SMTP id y60mr6532019nzi; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.14 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:16:24 -0600 From: "Maxim Katcharov" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: <925d17560605221856w7c5703b4p9ec1d1b296e67093@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605160731j379ecfdbo42862a88433e112c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605220825n5df40f6bs6ea5d63c881dee2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605221615gd0fcb7fj4c97cd7a9275a1b2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605221708q3d88efe8teddf51b3f0e1103c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605221736p1d02db31sb154ed5cc4d0e793@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605221856w7c5703b4p9ec1d1b296e67093@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11666 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/22/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/22/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > > x3 that is added being {do'e lo nu mi bevri}, which seems to be {bevri > > pe numi} "a carrier related to the event of me". > > {mi bevri} is a bridi "I carry (something somewhere etc.)" > > {nu} converts a bridi into a selbri: > {nu mi bevri} is "x1 is an event of me carrying (something somewhere etc.)" > > {lo} converts this selbri into a sumti: > {lo nu mi bevri} is "the event of my carrying (something somewhere etc.)" > > The structure is: {lo [nu (mi bevri /vau/) /kei/] /ku/} > Ah. I thought that it was doing the pe "wedge" thing: lo bevri pe mi lo mi bevri lo bevri pe numi lo numi bevri I thought that {nu} converted to a sumti, and not a selbri. Whoops. So: [lo ro mapku]* [cu melbi] gi'e ku'i []* [du'emei] [do'e lo nu mi bevri] so {lo ro mapku} is melbi and du'emei... du'emei = x1 is a set with too many members x2 x1 being {lo ro mapku} x3 that is added ({do'e}) being {lo nu mi bevri}, "the event of my carrying something". Why is {lo ro mapku} being converted into a set, while {ro lo mapku} isn't? To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.