From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 10 17:56:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81187 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 00:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 00:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 00:56:08 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzTJ-0005Cq-Fe for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:56:05 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzSg-0005BI-RE; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:55:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzSF-0005An-Qo for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:59 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzSD-0005Af-6D for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:59 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so278290wri for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.82.7 with SMTP id f7mr200067wrb; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.17 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605101754ibf2c8k435cb516bfee8b32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:54:55 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605091911q49d9049fk74d621c05ae2a62f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605100646o576097b7n1eb81fa3d7c681df@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101536r3efb57c0re1125ff3301a3403@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101635x1702203cu13e8397e3ee956ea@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11473 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=gfsrr61vBRrV-4Ig_O6NArnsw3Vr9xWwhaNcgIb7AwI27tP8eA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25890 On 5/10/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > No, I see no difference. If you make this inner "all" open to > interpretation, It is not "all" that is open to interpretation, it is "bear" (or whatever the predicate). The set of things that satisfy a given predicate relevantly depends on the context of the utterance. > then you have no way to be absolutely specific > regarding meaning "all ever", or ("all bears ever who are climbers of > this *pats a tree* ever, within 5 minutes backwards and forwards of > right... now.") Yes, you can do it in the same or a similar way as you are doing it in English here, by adding more clarifying words. The {sai} or {cai} I proposed plays a similar role to the "ever" in the English "all ever". It is usually not necessary, but it can help you convey a difference. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.